Takeaways from the Vance-Walz US vice presidential debate
PHOTO CAPTION: Democratic vice presidential nominee Minnesota Governor Tim Walz and Republican vice presidential nominee U.S. Senator JD Vance (R-OH) shake hands as they attend a debate hosted by CBS in New York, U.S., October 1, 2024. REUTERS/Brendan McDermid
By James Oliphant and Gram Slattery
(Reuters) -U.S. Senator JD Vance, Republican Donald Trump's pick as his vice presidential running mate, squared off against Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, who Democrat Kamala Harris tapped to be her No. 2, in a nationally televised debate on Tuesday.
The debate is likely the final one of the 2024 presidential campaign, potentially giving it some extra weight ahead of the Nov. 5 election.
Here are some takeaways from the event in New York:
THE BRAWL THAT WASN'T
The debate was expected to be an ugly one.
Vance's advisers said the senator was going to tear into Walz for misrepresenting his military record and letting Minneapolis burn during riots in 2020. Walz was going to paint Vance as a spineless sycophant who changed his core beliefs to please Trump.
Instead, the candidates engaged in mostly cordial exchanges, a surprising change in tone after the contentious showdown between Harris and Trump just three weeks ago.
The two men frequently conceded that the other made good points. They thanked each other repeatedly.
"Whether you vote for me or vote for Tim Walz, I just want to say I'm so proud to be doing this," Vance said.
After the debate ended, they embraced, shaking hands and slapping each other on the back.
The lack of many heated moments means the debate will likely be quickly forgotten with five weeks to go until the election, suffering the fate of most vice presidential debates.
Trump, however, couldn't let the amiable vibe last. Immediately after the debate, he posted on social media that "Walz was a Low IQ Disaster - Very much like Kamala."
MAGA SMOOTHIE
The Vance on stage was the one the Trump campaign had in mind when Trump selected him as his No. 2 in July.
The idea then was that the 40-year-old first-term senator and best-selling author of "Hillbilly Elegy" could serve as an articulate and rational voice for Trump’s Make American Great Again movement as well as perhaps one day become a generational torchbearer.
But instead Vance had a rocky roll-out on the campaign trail, becoming the target of online scorn and mockery while most often serving as Trump’s attack dog. The headlines were mostly negative, and his approval ratings suffered.
On Tuesday, Vance largely kept his message positive, while taking every opportunity to advocate for Trump.
He spoke about making the American dream “attainable once again." He deftly answered a question on climate change by making an argument for increased U.S. energy production. He detailed the basis for Trump’s aggressive protectionist trade policies, saying the experts were “wrong” that increased foreign trade would boost the U.S. middle class.
In doing so, Vance seemed to be succeeding at a vice presidential running mate's primary task: Making the candidate at the top of the ticket more palatable to the viewers at home -- no easy job when it comes to Trump.
It was clear as the evening progressed, that was the goal of the Trump campaign in this debate, not trying to smear Walz. As one strategist said before the debate, people don't vote for the vice presidential nominee.
DRAWING SOME BLOOD
To the extent the debate grew heated at all, it was at the very end, when most Americans likely had switched away from the face-off or gone to sleep.
Walz demanded that Vance agree to abide by the results of the election and commit to a peaceful transfer of power. And he asked Vance whether Trump lost the 2020 election.
"Tim, I'm focused on the future," Vance replied.
"That is a damning non-answer," Walz shot back.
Walz noted that Vance was only on the stage because Trump cut ties with his former vice president, Mike Pence, for certifying the results of the last election.
Vance did not answer the question about whether Trump, who continues to falsely claim the 2020 election was marred by widespread fraud, lost four years ago. The exchange served as a reminder of one of Trump's biggest vulnerabilities heading into the election, one that the Harris campaign will continue to highlight in the coming weeks.
BOB AND WEAVE AT THE OPENING BELL
The first question of the debate related to the ongoing conflict in the Middle East, asking both men if they would support a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran to disrupt the development of the latter's nuclear program.
Neither candidate was eager to answer.
A visibly nervous Walz dodged the question, pivoting to a critique of Trump's record during his four years in office.
"What's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter," Walz said. "It's clear, and the world saw it on that debate stage a few weeks ago, a nearly 80-year-old Donald Trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment."
Vance dove into a description of his personal biography before eventually circling back to the question.
Vance said a second Trump administration would support Israel's decision on the matter. But not before he offered an extended defense of Trump's foreign policy, characterizing his time in office as extraordinarily peaceful.
THE 'HARRIS ADMINISTRATION'
Joe Biden has been president of the U.S. for almost four years, but you would never have known that listening to Vance. And that was by design.
Throughout the debate, Vance implied that Harris, as vice president, has been a primary decision maker in the White House on issues such as immigration and the war in Gaza. At one point, Vance referred to the “administration of Kamala Harris” and later he referred to when Harris “came into office.”
It is a strategy the Trump campaign has long employed on the campaign trail — an attempt to make Harris inherit Biden’s political liabilities. In his debate with Harris, Trump largely failed to make that connection for viewers at home. But at rallies since then, he has repeatedly suggested that Harris has had more than three years to fix the nation’s problems.
Vance said something similar in a debate answer on the economy. "If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems, then she ought to do them now,” he said.
It is a tactic that has not completely borne fruit, however. Opinion polls have shown that voters largely do not blame Harris for Biden’s economic and immigration policies, allowing her to cut into Trump’s advantages on those issues.
SOFTENING A HARD LINE
Vance attempted to deliver a "compassionate conservative” message on abortion to beat back perceptions that the Republican ticket's hardline stance on reproductive rights could cost them votes.
He sidestepped some of his past remarks on the issue, claiming he did not support a national abortion ban after suggesting two years ago that he favored making the procedure illegal across the country.
Vance tried to make the issue personal, saying he knew “young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options” and that “one of them is actually very dear to me, and I know she's watching tonight, and I love you.”
He denied Republicans would create a federal registry to track pregnancies, despite the conservative Project 2025 policy proposals calling for the government to track abortions and miscarriages. Trump has said Project 2025 does not represent his views.
“I want us as a Republican Party to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word," Vance said.
Walz also effectively argued for the Democrats' position on the issue, describing individual cases of women who were endangered or even died due to restrictive abortion legislation.
But given his campaign's polling advantage on the issue, he would have liked a clear win from the exchange.
ROUGH PATCHES
Both Walz and Vance tried to explain away past statements that undercut their credibility.
For Walz, it was media reports this week that he was not in Hong Kong in June 1989 during the deadly uprising at Tiananmen Square in China, despite having said several times he was there on a teaching trip. In fact, Walz was in Nebraska at the time and did not travel to Hong Kong until August of that year.
Asked about the misleading claim, Walz delivered a meandering answer about growing up in a small town and being elected to Congress.
“I’ve not been perfect, and I’m a knucklehead at times,” Walz said.
Walz, a former high school football coach, may have been trying to run down the clock. Finally, when pressed by the CBS News moderator, he said, “I got there that summer and misspoke on this.”
Vance was again asked to reconcile his past criticism of Trump, including comparing him to Adolf Hitler, with his current position as No. 2 on the Republican ticket.
“I was wrong about Donald Trump,” Vance said, adding Trump “delivered for the American people” on a lot of things “that I didn’t think he’d be able to deliver on.”
(Reporting by James Oliphant, Gram Slattery and Trevor Hunnicutt; Editing by Colleen Jenkins, Daniel Wallis and Deepa Babington)
